diff --git a/src/main/java/io/ebeaninternal/server/deploy/BeanPropertyAssocMany.java b/src/main/java/io/ebeaninternal/server/deploy/BeanPropertyAssocMany.java
index 0eaf2ae01..2058f0e56 100644
--- a/src/main/java/io/ebeaninternal/server/deploy/BeanPropertyAssocMany.java
+++ b/src/main/java/io/ebeaninternal/server/deploy/BeanPropertyAssocMany.java
@@ -318,11 +318,11 @@ public class BeanPropertyAssocMany<T> extends BeanPropertyAssoc<T> implements ST
   /**
    * Find the Id's of detail beans given a parent Id or list of parent Id's.
    */
-  public List<Object> findIdsByParentId(Object parentId, List<Object> parentIdList, Transaction t, List<Object> excludeDetailIds) {
+  public List<Object> findIdsByParentId(Object parentId, List<Object> parentIdList, Transaction t, List<Object> excludeDetailIds, boolean hard) {
     if (parentId != null) {
-      return sqlHelp.findIdsByParentId(parentId, t, excludeDetailIds);
+      return sqlHelp.findIdsByParentId(parentId, t, excludeDetailIds, hard);
     } else {
-      return sqlHelp.findIdsByParentIdList(parentIdList, t, excludeDetailIds);
+      return sqlHelp.findIdsByParentIdList(parentIdList, t, excludeDetailIds, hard);
     }
   }
 
diff --git a/src/main/java/io/ebeaninternal/server/deploy/BeanPropertyAssocManySqlHelp.java b/src/main/java/io/ebeaninternal/server/deploy/BeanPropertyAssocManySqlHelp.java
index 3b3426aa3..7f58aa511 100644
--- a/src/main/java/io/ebeaninternal/server/deploy/BeanPropertyAssocManySqlHelp.java
+++ b/src/main/java/io/ebeaninternal/server/deploy/BeanPropertyAssocManySqlHelp.java
@@ -127,14 +127,16 @@ class BeanPropertyAssocManySqlHelp<T> {
     many.bindParentIdsIn(expr, parentIds, query);
   }
 
-  List<Object> findIdsByParentId(Object parentId, Transaction t, List<Object> excludeDetailIds) {
+  List<Object> findIdsByParentId(Object parentId, Transaction t, List<Object> excludeDetailIds, boolean hard) {
 
     String rawWhere = deriveWhereParentIdSql(false, "");
 
     SpiEbeanServer server = descriptor.getEbeanServer();
     SpiQuery<?> q = many.newQuery(server);
     many.bindParentIdEq(rawWhere, parentId, q);
-
+    if (hard) {
+      q.setIncludeSoftDeletes();
+    }
     if (excludeDetailIds != null && !excludeDetailIds.isEmpty()) {
       q.where().not(q.getExpressionFactory().idIn(excludeDetailIds));
     }
@@ -142,7 +144,7 @@ class BeanPropertyAssocManySqlHelp<T> {
     return server.findIds(q, t);
   }
 
-  List<Object> findIdsByParentIdList(List<Object> parentIds, Transaction t, List<Object> excludeDetailIds) {
+  List<Object> findIdsByParentIdList(List<Object> parentIds, Transaction t, List<Object> excludeDetailIds, boolean hard) {
 
     String rawWhere = deriveWhereParentIdSql(true, "");
     String inClause = buildInClauseBinding(parentIds.size(), exportedPropertyBindProto);
@@ -153,7 +155,9 @@ class BeanPropertyAssocManySqlHelp<T> {
     SpiQuery<?> q = many.newQuery(server);
     //Query<?> q = server.find(propertyType);
     many.bindParentIdsIn(expr, parentIds, q);
-
+    if (hard) {
+      q.setIncludeSoftDeletes();
+    }
     if (excludeDetailIds != null && !excludeDetailIds.isEmpty()) {
       q.where().not(q.getExpressionFactory().idIn(excludeDetailIds));
     }
diff --git a/src/main/java/io/ebeaninternal/server/persist/DefaultPersister.java b/src/main/java/io/ebeaninternal/server/persist/DefaultPersister.java
index 0e402dcdc..884997f65 100644
--- a/src/main/java/io/ebeaninternal/server/persist/DefaultPersister.java
+++ b/src/main/java/io/ebeaninternal/server/persist/DefaultPersister.java
@@ -754,7 +754,7 @@ public final class DefaultPersister implements Persister {
               executeSqlUpdate(sqlDelete, t);
             } else {
               // we need to fetch the Id's to delete (recurse or notify L2 cache)
-              List<Object> childIds = many.findIdsByParentId(id, idList, t, null);
+              List<Object> childIds = many.findIdsByParentId(id, idList, t, null, deleteMode.isHard());
               if (!childIds.isEmpty()) {
                 delete(targetDesc, null, childIds, t, deleteMode);
               }
@@ -1052,7 +1052,7 @@ public final class DefaultPersister implements Persister {
         } else {
           // Delete recurse using the Id values of the children
           Object parentId = desc.getId(parentBean);
-          List<Object> idsByParentId = many.findIdsByParentId(parentId, null, t, excludeDetailIds);
+          List<Object> idsByParentId = many.findIdsByParentId(parentId, null, t, excludeDetailIds, deleteMode.isHard());
           if (!idsByParentId.isEmpty()) {
             deleteChildrenById(t, targetDesc, idsByParentId, deleteMode);
           }
diff --git a/src/main/java/io/ebeaninternal/server/query/CQueryBuilder.java b/src/main/java/io/ebeaninternal/server/query/CQueryBuilder.java
index e1f4b2249..a58c7b6ec 100644
--- a/src/main/java/io/ebeaninternal/server/query/CQueryBuilder.java
+++ b/src/main/java/io/ebeaninternal/server/query/CQueryBuilder.java
@@ -214,7 +214,7 @@ class CQueryBuilder {
     SpiQuery<T> query = request.getQuery();
     query.setSelectId();
     BeanDescriptor<T> desc = request.getBeanDescriptor();
-    if (desc.isSoftDelete()) {
+    if (!query.isIncludeSoftDeletes() && desc.isSoftDelete()) {
       query.addSoftDeletePredicate(desc.getSoftDeletePredicate(alias(query.getAlias())));
     }
     return buildFetchAttributeQuery(request);
diff --git a/src/test/java/io/ebeaninternal/server/deploy/BeanPropertyAssocManyTest.java b/src/test/java/io/ebeaninternal/server/deploy/BeanPropertyAssocManyTest.java
index 162832e76..ff35bf77e 100644
--- a/src/test/java/io/ebeaninternal/server/deploy/BeanPropertyAssocManyTest.java
+++ b/src/test/java/io/ebeaninternal/server/deploy/BeanPropertyAssocManyTest.java
@@ -72,9 +72,9 @@ public class BeanPropertyAssocManyTest extends BaseTestCase {
     customerIds.add(1L);
     customerIds.add(2L);
 
-    List<Object> contactIdsForOne = contacts().findIdsByParentId(1L, null, null, null);
+    List<Object> contactIdsForOne = contacts().findIdsByParentId(1L, null, null, null, true);
 
-    List<Object> contactIdsForMultiple = contacts().findIdsByParentId(null, customerIds, null, null);
+    List<Object> contactIdsForMultiple = contacts().findIdsByParentId(null, customerIds, null, null, true);
 
     assertThat(contactIdsForOne).isNotEmpty();
     assertThat(contactIdsForMultiple).isNotEmpty();
diff --git a/src/test/java/org/tests/compositekeys/TestOnCascadeDeleteChildrenWithCompositeKeys.java b/src/test/java/org/tests/compositekeys/TestOnCascadeDeleteChildrenWithCompositeKeys.java
index 08cde0802..095313e33 100644
--- a/src/test/java/org/tests/compositekeys/TestOnCascadeDeleteChildrenWithCompositeKeys.java
+++ b/src/test/java/org/tests/compositekeys/TestOnCascadeDeleteChildrenWithCompositeKeys.java
@@ -85,8 +85,8 @@ public class TestOnCascadeDeleteChildrenWithCompositeKeys extends BaseTestCase {
     ids.add(1L);
     ids.add(2L);
 
-    beanProperty.findIdsByParentId(null, ids, null, null);
-    beanProperty.findIdsByParentId(1L, null, null, null);
+    beanProperty.findIdsByParentId(null, ids, null, null, true);
+    beanProperty.findIdsByParentId(1L, null, null, null, true);
   }
 
   @Entity