diff --git a/src/main/java/io/ebeaninternal/server/persist/SaveManyBeans.java b/src/main/java/io/ebeaninternal/server/persist/SaveManyBeans.java
index 653d387f1..cb4a87cb6 100644
--- a/src/main/java/io/ebeaninternal/server/persist/SaveManyBeans.java
+++ b/src/main/java/io/ebeaninternal/server/persist/SaveManyBeans.java
@@ -18,6 +18,7 @@ import java.util.ArrayList;
 import java.util.Collection;
 import java.util.List;
 import java.util.Map;
+import java.util.Objects;
 import java.util.Set;
 
 import static io.ebeaninternal.server.persist.DmlUtil.isNullOrZero;
@@ -108,7 +109,7 @@ public class SaveManyBeans extends SaveManyBase {
     BeanProperty orderColumn = null;
     boolean hasOrderColumn = many.hasOrderColumn();
     if (hasOrderColumn) {
-      if (!insertedParent && canSkipForOrderColumn()) {
+      if (!insertedParent && canSkipForOrderColumn() && saveRecurseSkippable) {
         return;
       }
       orderColumn = targetDescriptor.getOrderColumn();
@@ -157,7 +158,7 @@ public class SaveManyBeans extends SaveManyBase {
         if (many.hasJoinTable()) {
           skipSavingThisBean = targetDescriptor.isReference(ebi);
         } else {
-          if (orderColumn != null) {
+          if (orderColumn != null && !Objects.equals(sortOrder, orderColumn.getValue(detail))) {
             orderColumn.setValue(detail, sortOrder);
             ebi.setDirty(true);
           }
diff --git a/src/test/java/org/tests/cascade/TestOrderedList.java b/src/test/java/org/tests/cascade/TestOrderedList.java
index 75d2b56f8..5ccc781f9 100644
--- a/src/test/java/org/tests/cascade/TestOrderedList.java
+++ b/src/test/java/org/tests/cascade/TestOrderedList.java
@@ -85,11 +85,10 @@ public class TestOrderedList extends BaseTestCase {
     Ebean.save(fresh);
 
     sql = LoggedSqlCollector.current();
-    assertThat(sql).hasSize(8);
-    assertSql(sql.get(0)).contains("update om_ordered_master set name=?, version=?");
-    assertSql(sql.get(1)).contains("update om_ordered_detail set version=?, sort_order=? where id=? and version=?");
-    assertThat(sql.get(3)).contains("update om_ordered_detail set name=?, version=?, sort_order=? where id=? and version=?");
-
+    assertThat(sql).hasSize(3);
+    assertSql(sql.get(0)).contains("update om_ordered_master set name=?, version=? where id=? and version=?; -- bind(m1-mod3");
+    assertSql(sql.get(1)).contains("update om_ordered_detail set name=?, version=?, sort_order=? where id=? and version=?");
+    assertThat(sql.get(2)).contains("bind(was 1,3,2,");
 
     Ebean.delete(fresh);